Curse

SirJackassIII · Apr 07, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

However... did everyone notice one particular rare crafting item that the Canthan armor uses that hasn't any use yet in Tyria? Yep, *snip. One people realize that they need ink for many of the armors in Cantha, that's one item that the price will rise on. I'm sure there's others as well... depends on what required often that hasn't been before.

Please remove that as I'm currently stocking up on those <_<

And some other rare materials I saw being used...
Though I'm pretty sure a lot of player ar currently playing the market in a similar way.

MasterThrawn · Apr 07, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Does this mean there will be a use for all that glittering dust I keep finding?

wsmcasey · Apr 07, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

I'm pretty sure I'll be setting up an import/export business between Prophecies and Factions. I think I'll be able to make a butt load of money in trading if I play my cards right.

The Fox · Apr 07, 2006, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

If you have taken economics:
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price
-Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards)
-Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price

There will be no increase in the rate of growth of the supply for materials, dyes, and runes; unless more people start playing the game or they change the drop rates. However, any increase in player base will be dramatically offset by the increase in demand by new character creation; so prices will rise. Your other two points are valid imo.

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

I'm pretty sure I'll be setting up an import/export business between Prophecies and Factions. I think I'll be able to make a butt load of money in trading if I play my cards right.

Good luck to you, but you do not have a monopoly on the market. Price will equalize rather fast when the potential for arbitrage is realized.

quickmonty · Apr 07, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

One cool looking skin I noticed in Cantha ..... sickles that actually look like sickles.

mrbb · Apr 07, 2006, 04:37 PM // 16:37

As said before... Cantha new players will be poor and won't have any money to buy expensive items. So, no one will be able to make a butt load of money selling to them.

People with money in Cantha will be players who came from Tyria. So, they are lvl 20's, they can farm themselves, they are educated about the game. So, you can't make butt loads of these either.

You can make money of "early adopters" the ones that want to be the first players to have the new things; these players will be willing to pay premium prices for rare Cantha items.

Also take into consideration the fact that information spreads very quickly with several forums dedicated to GW. So in a matters of weeks it is likely that most of Cantha will be explored and most items discovered and divulged to the population at large.

Then there is competition from your fellow import/export Tyria-Cantha who just had the same idea as you did.

Conclusion - you can make some money but unlikely that you'll be rich.

Cybah · Apr 07, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

with cantha: less farmers in uw/fow -> ecto & obs will steady!

i guess there will be fow (chap1) armors for a and r -> ecto & obs will steady!

i guess there won't be a new 1.2 mio armor in cantha with other materials -> ecto & obs will steady!

i think u won't need rubies and sapphires for another highend armor -> prices will drop hard.

green prices will increase cause of less farmers. i saw dragos flatbow selling for 25k, now the price is at ~45k because there are less farmers...

jamal555 · Apr 07, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

OK, its like this...

since i know a few things and i wanna share them with u... dont ask me from where i cant tell u...

Runing isnt really an option anymore coz new armors have req. lvl 17 to wear...
ectos and shards will drop since new cantha armors have new categories [100 armor etc.] that will not be in the original GW...
and rubbies and sapphires will be in high demand since the new shards arent the only stuff in new 1 mil. armor in factions

and current rare skins [flesh horns, fells, etc...] arent gonna be that rare in factions.. so... u know what to do while u still can...

As u will see in a few weeks from the factions launch, perfect fell will be around 25k or 35k max...

Weapons were never ment to get that high prices... and things will be corrected... in time...

p.s. u will be able to craft good, real good weapons at weapons crafter...

thats all i'm gonna say for now...

Loralai · Apr 07, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by jamal555

OK, its like this...

since i know a few things and i wanna share them with u... dont ask me from where i cant tell u...

Runing isnt really an option anymore coz new armors have req. lvl 17 to wear...
ectos and shards will drop since new cantha armors have new categories [100 armor etc.] that will not be in the original GW...
and rubbies and sapphires will be in high demand since the new shards arent the only stuff in new 1 mil. armor in factions

and current rare skins [flesh horns, fells, etc...] arent gonna be that rare in factions.. so... u know what to do while u still can...

As u will see in a few weeks from the factions launch, perfect fell will be around 25k or 35k max...

Weapons were never ment to get that high prices... and things will be corrected... in time...

p.s. u will be able to craft good, real good weapons at weapons crafter...

thats all i'm gonna say for now...

From what I have seen and heard, the armor lvl 100 is req 13 strength, not 17. I can't imagine a req 17 armor with attributes topped at 16, and from what information I have gathered, there will be no new attribute quests for those with merged accounts. Thus making a req 17 armor impossible.

My opinion still stands firm that ectos and shards will not go unused in Factions. We have already been told that yes, there will be FoW armor for the Ritualists and Assassins, so that is one use there. For this reason, I do not see ectos/shards becoming obsolete as some suggest. Maybe cheaper, but not as cheap as some forsee. Rubies and sapphires could go either way. I have yet to make up my mind there. My initial theory was that they will be utilized for high-end armor in the same manner that Jadeite and Amber is for the 15k Factions equivalent, as a demarker between Luxon and Kurzick, but just a guess.

As is most everything, anyone here says. Please don't try to insinuate that you have inside sources or that you have knowledge that no one else does. If you do have this information, and it is legitimate, I can guarantee that you are NOT supposed to be giving it out. Unless you work for Anet, at this point your "few things to share" are the same as everyone elses...speculation, guesswork, and opinion.

floplag · Apr 07, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

the economy for prophecies gear will drop, and drop fast and hard i think.

its simple really, there will be less players in prophecies, ..which you might argue means more demand.. but i think it unlikely since you will be able to travel between the continents..so factions gear will find its way to prophecies players making the current high dollar items go bottom out as people will want those over the previously available tyrian models.

just my 2 cents.. but if i was holding onto some big ticket items, id be thinking of getting what i would for them now as the closer we get to factions, the more they are gonna drop.

could be wrong, but logic and human nature suggests im not that far off

Theos · Apr 07, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by floplag

the economy for prophecies gear will drop, and drop fast and hard i think.

its simple really, there will be less players in prophecies, ..which you might argue means more demand.. but i think it unlikely since you will be able to travel between the continents..so factions gear will find its way to prophecies players making the current high dollar items go bottom out as people will want those over the previously available tyrian models.

just my 2 cents.. but if i was holding onto some big ticket items, id be thinking of getting what i would for them now as the closer we get to factions, the more they are gonna drop.

could be wrong, but logic and human nature suggests im not that far off

You miss understoof horribly, there is no req 17 attribute armour, there is a LEVEL 17 armour requirement. So if you are below level 17 you cannot wear said armour, it has nothing to do with attributes.

TheMosesPHD · Apr 07, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Tsunami Rain

don't.....get me started....these topics make me write 10 page reports...

In Short:

I'm pretty sure that the prices for ecto will continue to drop because everyone will want factions armor which most likely won't require ecto. If rubies and sapphires are useful in factions as ANet has released, prices will rise (buy now). Dyes are becomming less and less valuble (which is a good thing since I don't see why it should cost so much just to chage the color of your clothing).

As for running, More people will be wanting runs and power leveling for their new characters (in prophecies) because running won't be entirely avaliable in canthra (this assumes that you have to be ascended to travel to canthra). So in other words, get your characters ascended/ran NOW before prices are raised.

As for weapon and shields: Stock up on -50 cesta's, Fiery Flame Spitters, carapace shields, HoD weapons if possible. New weapons will be avaliable in Factions and over time weapons will be nerfed. And when that happens, you can sell off those weapons that you have been holding on to.

If you see some new collectors items that are overpowered or could be of use to a certain build (55ing, etc) in canthra I would also suggest you stock up on those as well.

well..there I go again...I'm gonna stop here before I start writing a whole report on things.

I can't really agree with you on the rubies and sapphires part. We don't really know what they are going to be used for. Now the prices are rising on pure speculation, but it could turn out that rubies and sapphires turn out to some basic rare crafting material like linen or fur. If you really think they're gonna be used for something ultra expensive then buy em up all you want. But just because they'll have a use, doesn't mean they'll have a use worth the prices that they're at now.

Replying to other posts. It'd be best to stop believing that ectos and shards will have any use in Factions. Ectos and Shards drop in the two special farming places in Tyria and are only used (other than now as a type of currency for high priced items) to craft armor in one of those farming places located in Tyria. The equivalent to ectos and shards might be jadeite and amber, probably not rubies and sapphires since they're here in Tyria too, and could be some other crafting material we haven't seen yet. But most definitely, Ectos and Shards will have no use in Factions. With the prices of them going down, it might not even be possible to use Ectos as a stable currency for buying high lvl items.

TheMosesPHD · Apr 07, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Theos

You miss understoof horribly, there is no req 17 attribute armour, there is a LEVEL 17 armour requirement. So if you are below level 17 you cannot wear said armour, it has nothing to do with attributes.

I very much like this new feature. Do you think they might implement it in Prophecies as well?

Ctb · Apr 07, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I don't see how people figure prices for Prophecies items will sour. With an influx of new Factions players, you're going to have the same things going into Cantha from Prophecies that you have going into Tyria from Factions. Cantha will be full of people who don't have Prophecies and can't get Victo's Bulwark and such at all, and since they're new to the game entirely, they're not going to say "oh, old news" about it, so demand will stay up.

The only way I could see the Prophecies prices falling through the floor would be if the items from Cantha just completely overpower the Tyrian items and there's no purpose in buying them anymore. After all, who cares about a max damage Victo's Blade if the max damage on some new Canthan swords is 25-36 or something?

Count to Potato · Apr 07, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

If your patiet enough the prices should go down, my brother bought his ectos at 10k each and shards at like 6k, now prices are like 4k lower

floplag · Apr 07, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

you really think players from Factions are going to want to buy Prophecies items anytime soon ? maybe over the long haul, but i highly dou8bt that over the first few months of release there will be any demand for prophecies items in factions.

only time will tell, but there is no denying the "newness" factor in things like this.

Ensign · Apr 07, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Ectos and Shards should drop somewhat, but I have trouble seeing the bottom falling out of that market because the *supply* of those two is going to dry up as well. The community that's been flooding the game with ecto is going to be playing factions and finding new spots to farm there. I see the market overadjusting on a drop then coming back up quickly when people realize there aren't as many ectos coming in. If you ever wanted fissure armor the release of factions will be one of the best times to get it.

Anything that modifies the new armor or weapons should hold or gain value - weapon upgrades, runes, dyes. The supply of these isn't going to increase significantly (barring exploitive farming spots), but demand should shoot up as people have new items to upgrade.

The best place to put your money right now, though, is in gold. While items will be fluctuating, gold should remain solid and perhaps increase in value somewhat with all the new crafting going on. If you have high ticket items and a lot of room under the gold cap, I'd suggest liquidating.

Peace,
-CxE

Mimi Miyagi · Apr 07, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

I'm going to ROFL when Factions comes out and all those people hoarding Rubies and Saphires find out they do exactly the same thing in Factions as they do in Prophecies (nothing).

Jade and Amber will be the hot commodities.

NinjaKai · Apr 07, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

If you have taken economics:
-Increased supply of materials, dyes, runes, etc. = less price
-Decreased demand of Prophecies Armor and Weapons = less price for crafting materials for Prophecies armor (ex. Ecto, Shards)
-Increased amount of competition due to new players = less price

And anyone knows that a good economy that keeps prices down is most desired. Apart from the greedy who would seek to exploit other peoples inability to get the items themselves for whatever reason. Like a greedy farmer finds a perfect modded rare skinned weapon, greedy farmer then seeks to extort a unfair amount of gold from the average user who can't farm well. In my opinion anyone who doesn't want prices to stay low so that everyone can afford good items and armor. Is a greedy person who only thinks about getting gold forgetting there is a lot more to the game than their narrow minded desires.

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

I'm going to ROFL when Factions comes out and all those people hoarding Rubies and Saphires find out they do exactly the same thing in Factions as they do in Prophecies (nothing).

Jade and Amber will be the hot commodities.

Truth is I would much rather do the same missions over and over before they lose all meaning in an attempt to get factions points to buy the materials from the trader in order to get the armor I so desire. That or take the slower fun route of doing the 12v12 battles.